AGRICULTURE AND ENVIRONMENT BIOTECHNOLOGY COMMISSION

TWENTY-FIFTH COMMISSION MEETING

22 – 23 SEPTEMBER 2004

UNIVERSITY OF YORK, HESLINGTON, YORK, YO10 5DD

CONFIRMED MINUTES

Members

Professor Malcolm Grant
Julie Hill
Anna Bradley
Helen Browning (Wednesday only)
Dr David Buckeridge
Dr David Carmichael
Professor Phil Dale
Dr Matthew Freeman
John Gilliland
Professor Robin Grove-White
Judith Hann
Dr Rosie Hails
Professor Keekok Lee
Professor Jeff Maxwell
Dr Sue Mayer

Secretariat

Dr Paul van Heyningen
Laura McMahon
Tonima Saha
Emma Knox


Introduction and Apologies

  1. The Chair welcomed everyone to the Commission’s twenty-fifth meeting. He expressed the Commission’s pleasure at being in York and thanked Dianna Bowles and her colleagues at the University of York for their hospitality and assistance in arranging the Commission meeting.


  2. Apologies had been received from Ed Dart, Derek Langslow, Paul Rylott and Justine Thornton.


  3. The minutes of the last Commission meeting had been finalised with all comments incorporated into them. The Commission agreed they were an accurate record of proceedings.
  4. Matters of Report


  5. The AEBC’s open letter to Government and ACRE on the wider implications of the FSEs had been sent out. No responses had so far been received.


  6. The Chair had written a letter to the Efra select committee pointing out the inaccuracies in their GM Planting Regime report. He had asked for the letter to be published alongside the Government response to the report.


  7. The consultation period for the review of the AEBC ended on 27 August. It was understood that the review was likely to be finalised late October/early November. The Chair and Deputy Chair were meeting the reviewer Neil Williams the next week to discuss his emerging findings and were seeking a meeting with Elliot Morley soon after the review was published to discuss its recommendations.


  8. The Government had announced its 10-year Science and Innovation framework on 12 July.


  9. On 30 July, Defra had published the report of its Science Forward Look exercise, which aimed to anticipate the Department's future science needs over the next 10 years. The report was open for consultation until 22 October 2004 and would contribute to Defra's next science strategy which would be published in 2005. SEERAD had published its new draft research strategy for consultation on 22 July. The draft suggested interesting changes to the current system including an increased emphasis on policy relevance of research and reduced autonomy for the SEERAD-sponsored research institutes.


  10. The final meeting of the Government Industry Forum for Non-Food Uses of Crops had taken place that week on 20 September. The purpose of the forum was to provide strategic advice to Government and industry on the development of non-food uses of crops. The work of the forum was to be transferred to the recently established National Non-Food Crops Centre, which was based in York. The Centre’s Deputy Chief Executive Officer, Maggie Smallwood, was present at the meeting and would be speaking to the Commission at dinner that evening.
  11. Update from Defra and the Devolved Administrations – Paper AEBC 04/14


  12. The Chair expressed the Commission’s gratitude for paper AEBC 04/14 which was a written update from Defra and the devolved administrations and commented that the Commission would like this regular communication to continue. The Scottish Executive, the National Assembly for Wales and Northern Ireland officials had sent apologies for not being able to attend the meeting.


  13. The Chair asked Members for any comments or questions on this paper and the following points were raised:



  14. Action: Secretariat to circulate EC report.

    Discussion with Defra on their coexistence workshops


  15. The Chair introduced two representatives from Defra who were attending the meeting to update the Commission on the development of Defra’s coexistence regime. He welcomed Sharon Wort and Renaud Wilson of the GM Policy Unit.


  16. Defra announced in March 2004 that the Government had concluded that there is no scientific case for a blanket ban on the cultivation of GM crops in the UK, but that proposed uses need to be assessed for safety on a case-by-case basis. The Government will continue to take a precautionary approach and only agree to the commercial release of a GM crop if the evidence shows that it does not pose an unacceptable risk to human health and the environment. The Government also recognised that rules are needed to ensure that GM and non-GM crops can co-exist.


  17. It has concluded that farmers growing GM crops should apply measures to ensure that unwanted GM presence in non-GM crops is within the 0.9% threshold adopted by the European Union.


  18. Defra had undertaken to consult stakeholders on this and the following related issues:



  19. The consultation was being carried out in two phases, the first (which is near completion) being a series of workshops to discuss particular aspects of the overall issue and the second a consultation paper for comment by all stakeholders. The paper will set out the relevant background and options for consideration, taking account of the workshop discussions in the first phase.


  20. The presentation from Renaud Wilson was an update on the outcomes so far of the stakeholder workshops. The series of workshops were intended to be informal discussions in which information and ideas were freely exchanged, and where the focus was on technical or practical issues. To encourage this the meetings were relatively small and attendance limited to those people who have some knowledge or experience of the particular issue being considered, and thus were best placed to contribute to the development of the proposals and options for consideration.
  21. A detailed account of the presentation can be found in Annex A of the minutes however during the discussion between Renaud and the Commission Members the following points were noted:


  22. Research Agendas – Papers AEBC 04/15A and 04/15B


  23. Matthew Freeman explained that the focus of the discussion would be on the information gathering strand of the workstream. The ‘long’ paper (AEBC 04/15/B) contained detailed background information on research agendas which would be finalised and then published as a useful source of information. The ‘short’ paper (AEBC 04/15/A) aimed to be more than just a summary of the long information paper, and some initial observations and analysis had been made. This would be used as a basis for the consultation exercises in this workstream. It was noted that some of the information gathering – for example EU-funded research - had yet to be completed.


  24. Matthew then briefly outlined progress in other strands of the workstream:


  25. Opinion Leader Research had been appointed to run a consultation exercise with the public and ‘hard to reach’ stakeholder groups. This would consist of public discussion groups around Bristol, Cardiff and Perth; and stakeholder discussion groups in the Nottinghamshire area with scientists, land managers and agricultural advisory staff. There would be an update on progress from Opinion Leader Research at the Commission meeting in December. A ‘conventional’ paper-based consultation with a wider range of stakeholders would also be conducted.


  26. Case studies would be used to highlight the effect of the various drivers on the research that was carried out. The two case studies proposed were on plant breeding and soil science.


  27. The aim was to bring together the work from the information gathering, the two consultation exercises and the case studies to produce final conclusions and recommendations in Spring 2005. In line with the Commission’s more ‘modular’ form of working, papers would be published as they were produced, in addition to the final overall publication. The group were working to a tight timetable and immediate plans were to send the papers to contributors for comments and to start the paper-based consultation process. Papers would also be refereed by experts.


  28. In discussion the following points were raised:



  29. Action: Research Agendas core group and secretariat.

    Non-Food Agriculture: Part 1


  30. The Chair welcomed Terry Robins, an independent packaging consultant and former head of packaging at Sainsbury’s.


  31. David Buckeridge, Champion of the Non-Food Agriculture workstream, reminded the Commission that in Aberdeen they had taken evidence from a variety of experts in order to select a case study in the biofuels area and had chosen to focus on short rotation willow and poplar. He informed the Commission that since the last full Commission meeting the core group had gone through a similar process for the biopharmaceuticals area and that he would update the Commission on this more fully the next day. In this session the Commission would be going through the same process for selecting a case study in the biomaterials/bioplastics area.


  32. Terry Robins made the following points in his presentation on biopackaging:



  33. The following points were raised in discussion:


    David Buckeridge thanked Terry Robins for his presentation and concluded that PLA was one potential case study for this workstream.

    The meeting closed at 5.40pm.

    Thursday 23 September

    The Chair welcomed everyone to the reconvened meeting and invited David Buckeridge to update the Commission on the progress of the Non-Food Agriculture workstream.

    Non-Food Agriculture: Part 2 – Paper AEBC 04/14


  34. David Buckeridge explained that he would give an update on where the Core Group had got to with the various components of this workstream and that this session was to get the Commission’s input on these.


  35. Background paper – a first draft of this had been produced for the meeting although the exact purpose of it and the format it should take was still to be decided.


  36. Regulatory/Policy Analysis – this would be based on the three case studies. Short rotation coppice willow and poplar was selected at the Commission’s last meeting in Aberdeen for the biofuels area and at a recent core group meeting the production of an HIV microbicide in maize was selected for the biopharma area through a similar process. At this meeting the Commission would be deciding upon the case study for the biomaterials/bioplastics area.


  37. David Buckeridge explained that this had initially been planned as a desk exercise for a lawyer who would explore each regulation appropriate to the specific case studies. The core group had since decided that this would be more interesting if they explored the policy drivers too.


  38. Commission Members agreed that both the regulatory and policy analysis should be done and that analysing these together would produce the most valuable output since it would explore the interaction between regulations and policies and identify any possible conflicts.


  39. .It was agreed that it was important for the Commission to maintain its focus on biotechnology.


  40. There was a discussion whether the case studies should be carried out from first principles or from experience. Some Members argued that the conclusions that could be drawn from an output that was based on interviewing individuals about their experiences would be limited and that the outcome would be only a descriptive view of the potential conflicts and constraints in this area. However, other Members felt that the experiential approach would provide information that was useful for government and stakeholders because it would identify the real problems that were preventing people in the UK from taking advantage of the various opportunities offered by the application of biotechnology to non-food uses of crops.


  41. Public engagement – the core group were planning to use a professional research organisation to explore public perceptions of applications of biotechnology to various non-food crops. The core group felt that it would be useful to use a wide range of examples to get a more comprehensive understanding of what the public saw as the potential benefits of these products and how they felt about the various trade-off issues associated with them.


  42. It was suggested that the Commission could limit the examples used in the public engagement work to just the three case studies as this would help with the time constraints surrounding the project whilst still illustrating the dilemmas and reactions to the products. However, the majority of Members felt that a wider range of examples should be used in order to produce a piece of research which explored the full range of public acceptability of these products and to gain an understanding of what the dilemmas are for people and how the trade-off issues work for them.


  43. Public awareness – after visiting the Eden project the core group had concluded that for the public engagement work the Commission was proposing the sample reachable through the Eden project was too self-selective. However, they were particularly impressed by the Eden Project’s ability to disseminate information to the public and therefore thought there was potential to carry out follow-up work with the Eden as a way of bringing the trade-off issues around these products to the public’s attention.


  44. TV programme – there had been no progression on this following the update at the last Commission meeting. The pitch for the programme was still with the production company, TV6, who were putting it to specific broadcasters. If an interactive programme were to be produced there would be the same issue of this being a self-selected audience as with the Eden project although again it could provide an interesting follow-up to the Commission’s public engagement work.


  45. It was agreed that a project plan developed by the Non-Food Agriculture (NFA) core group would be produced and distributed to all Commission Members.

    Action: NFA Core Group and secretariat

  46. The Chair welcomed Professor James Clark, from the Chemistry Department of the University of York, Professor Neil Bruce from the Centre for Novel Agricultural Products (CNAP) at the University of York and Toby Matthews from Potatopak Ltd, who had agreed to give the Commission a presentation on biomaterials to help Members choose a case study on this aspect of Non Food Agriculture.


  47. Presentation by Professor James Clark (Green Chemistry Group, University of York)

  48. James Clark introduced himself as a chemist with a particular interest in “green chemistry”.He gave a presentation on the broader perspectives of biomaterials,which included the following points:




  49. Presentation by Professor Neil Bruce (CNAP)

  50. Professor Bruce holds the Chair of Biotechnology at CNAP. His presentation provided an overview of biorefineries including two examples of biomaterials that might be considered by the Commssion for a case study.


  51. His presentation made the following points:




  52. Presentation by Toby Matthews from Potatopak Ltd

  53. Toby introduced himself as the founder and chairman of Potatopak Ltd and explained that he would be speaking briefly about their products, background and the issues and challenges of manufacturing potato based packaging.


  54. Toby made the following points:



  55. The Chair thanked all the speakers for giving up their time to attend the meeting and for the clarity of their presentations.

    Discussion following the Non Food Agriculture Presentations

  56. David Buckeridge outlined three or four possibilities for the case study on bio materials. He reiterated that it was important that the example chosen should centre on something where biotechnology either has or could have a real role in the process in producing a product. All the examples suggested had been fascinating in their own right, but could perhaps represent different perspectives when undergoing a regulatory and policy analysis and it would therefore be necessary to be very clear about what the Commission were setting out to achieve in order that they did not step outside their remit or focus on too narrow an area of biotechnology (e.g. GM only).


  57. Members felt that opening up the remit for the three case studies beyond that of GM was essential and when looking at the workstream as a whole it may be useful to focus one case study (biofuels) on biotechnology not involving GM at all, one case study that definitely would involve the use of genetic manipulation (bio pharmaceuticals) and perhaps one that could use both routes i.e. make use of biotechnology with or without GM.


  58. Bio degradability was an issue that would probably resonate more with the public than the use of fossil fuels and perhaps the ideal example for biomaterials should involve a GM angle and biodegradability for the end product.


  59. The Potato packaging example would therefore fulfil the biodegradability criterion and it was possible to incorporate the GM component by looking at the work being done to improve yields and disease control, however this was felt to be too artificial and the difficulties that are being encountered at present are more economic than policy or regulatory based.


  60. The sorona® example was not able to fulfil the criterion of being biodegradable and was therefore rejected.


  61. PLA however did fulfil many of the objectives that were being sought in case study. It was a bio Material that had a wide range of uses and could be produced from most forms of starch. Therefore although at present it has been produced using maize, it would be possible to use starch produced from wheat which can be easily produced in the UK. The example would also allow the GM angle to be discussed as this could be brought in at the biomass stage (i.e. uncontained use) and/or in the processing stage in the fermentation (contained use) or as previously mentioned it need not make use of GM technology at all. The product can be processed in many different ways to make it either biodegradable, compostable or long lasting. This example therefore gives a complex system that can undergo the regulatory and policy analysis at various levels and which could also be taken to the public to see what their views are at the various stages.


  62. The Commission felt that PLA offered the greatest potential as an example of a bio material for the regulatory analysis work, but recognised that it did not readily fulfil the experiential method that had been adopted for the other two case studies, although this was felt to be not too significant in light of the wider options it presented.


  63. A discussion followed as to whether the workstream should be re-ordered to allow a more comprehensive look at current policy and regulations in light of public attitudes. It was generally felt that the public engagement strand should be carried out before completion of the regulatory/policy analysis case study work in order that this work could be informed by public attitudes towards biotechnology which should provide a much more useful report from which to make recommendations. It was agreed that the non-food agriculture workstream would focus on the public engagement strand before embarking on the specific case-studies.

Action: Non-food agriculture core group and secretariat to scope public engagement work.

The meeting closed at 12.20pm.